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Hi, John! Thank you for this cool device! I really like it. but... How can I control this device via MIDI signals like from arp? any midi device in front of this one has no effect on it. I don't want to use mouse but to control it via other tools. I've got Live10Suite.

Hi @katana, I use Live 10 Suite as well, so I think I can help with this. What you need to do is to create TWO tracks: the first is whatever MIDI pattern or output that you want to feed to the device, and the second is this device itself. You absolutely need two devices. Now, on the first track (the MIDI pattern), set the "MIDI To" option to the second track (the one with the Kaossilator device). You need to set it up this way -- it won't work if you simply put a MIDI source in front of the device in a chain. There has to be two tracks with the MIDI output from the first routed to the MIDI input of the second. Hope this helps!

Good luck!
John

Hi, John.
I try to do as you wrote but without any success... No sound is coming from Kaossilator controlled by the "first" track via MIDI.
I tried to set it up like this:
Track #1: it's a MIDI clip, output MIDI to: Track #2 - Kaossilator Track
Track #2: it's a track with Kaossilator device, output MIDI to: MackieControl Output (ch1) as yours, Input MIDI: All ins or directly from Track #1


Unfortunately this does not work for me. It's quite a simple setup and I checked different possibilities.
I can see that there is some MIDI signal coming into the device as MIDI icons are flashing accordingly to what comes in but the Kaossilator Device is always silent, however I can still play with mouse.


Is there any option to use Kaoss as an input source with your device?
I figured out how to use Kaoss as input using Mackie INPUT - On Kaoss I need to press "Shift + 8:" it turns Kaoss to a different mode: Ext Ctrl

I think I need to contact with you directly so maybe you can help me with my issues.
Is there a way to share your "device" code? I mean I would like to look at it and figure out what's the problem. Could you share the "source code"? Something tells me that as a software developer I will finish probably with my own implementation :) It always works as I wish ;)

Best regards
PK

Hi PK,

Sorry to hear that you're having trouble getting this going - as you mentioned, it's a pretty simple set up. I'm not sure why this isn't working.

The hardware set up that I have used for this is:

- Kaossilator > USB > Computer
- Kaossilator > RCA (rear jacks) > Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 > Computer

Obviously, both the Kaossilator and Scarlett need to be configured in Ableton.

I don't know if that is any help, but that set up has worked well for me.

And as far as sharing code, the great news is: you already have it! What you need to do is open up in Max for Live. To do this, load the device, then click on the "device" icon (it looks vaguely like a transistor) at the top of the device window and that should open Max. You'll need to unfreeze the device and then open it for editing, but that exposes everything.

There's very little real programming involved, as you'll see -- it's mostly wiring control outputs to hardware inputs. Pretty simple. The Kaossilator Pro + documentation lists all of the CC commands that it will respond to.

Please feel free to mess around with it - if you find anything that needs correction, please let me know and I'll try to take care of it and upload a new device file. If you want to mod it and release it, feel free! All I would ask is simple attribution.

Good luck and let me know how things go.
J

Hey John, I wondered how hard it would be to adapt this device to work with a KP3 (Kaoss Pad Pro). I think the continuous controller numbers are the same, even, but not sure. I'm hopeful since maybe there isn't a lot of sysex... is the code complicated? I've never made or altered a M4L device and wouldn't say i'm experienced at coding.

Hi @bentropy, it's been a couple years since I've programmed in M4L. I gifted the Kaossilator Pro to my nephew (a really talented and enthusiastic musician) and I'm mostly using Bitwig Studio now, rather than Live. Since Bigwig doesn't support M4L, I haven't been programming much this past year.

If memory serves me correctly, you shouldn't have too much trouble adapting this to the KP3. You'll need the documentation for the device - most importantly, the CC numbers and ranges, which should be readily available. Korg is really good about that.

Programming in M4L really isn't terribly difficult, but if you're just starting out, I'd suggest (a) watching a couple YouTube videos and (b) tearing apart a few M4L devices. Stick to simple ones - the ones that come stock with Ableton Live (assuming you have the studio version with Max4Live as part of the suite). There are some simple "demo" versions of devices in the M4L folder that I found really helpful when I was just getting started.

Hope this helps!

Good luck,
John